Open Source Ecology - Enterprise Plan
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[2012-05-23 21:54:45] Jogeta5 - Now this is what we ...
Now this is what we can use to transistion to a Resource Based Economy.
[2012-03-17 22:55:51] itsadeadmansparty - This shouldve been ...This shouldve been shown to you in school, patents hurt invention. An open and free world is what we all want. We all have the same needs water, food, shelter, cloths.
[2012-03-09 09:56:22] yanyue0 - its so hard to find ...its so hard to find someone willing to do more and get less
[2012-03-07 12:44:16] brekgar89 - who is going to be ...who is going to be making the money in this and how are the materials going to be procured?
[2012-02-28 04:28:59] musicalidea - @oracle2world For ...@oracle2world For someone who believes that poverty should be eradicated and that no one should be subjected to unnecessary deprivation for the sake of someone's profit, I do have my share of intolerance & spite for the imbecile class. An Achilles heel, perhaps.
[2012-02-28 04:24:54] musicalidea - You're a ...You're a pathological narcissist and not very intelligent or informed to boot. The fact that you would go to Vegas for vacation shows the depth of your taste: as much backing as a highway billboard. Too bad folks like you have to ruin the world.
[2012-02-28 00:23:17] oracle2world - - glad Australia is ...- glad Australia is a great place to live (really). In the USA I make good money, live in a nice house, have superb health care, and right now am on vacation in Las Vegas. If you do have a job in this recession, there are lots of really great deals. Otherwise, I don't give a s* about problems not of my making that I have no control over. Which account for about 99.999999% of all the problems liberals love to fret over. Life is short, have fun.
[2012-02-27 20:29:11] Malthus0 - Did you see my ...Did you see my reply to your comment that has been flagged? As for your world currency point I agree with you. In principle one world currency is 'optimal'. But no body could be trusted with it. I also have concerns about the long term dynamic institutional efficiency of such a monopoly. Better is competing non political currencies with no arbitrary boundaries. So you are in fact creating a false dichotomy.
[2012-02-27 20:23:21] Malthus0 - I make the ...I make the uncontroversial point that the restriction of trade retards productive capacity & you make a point about economies of scale?Your 2nd point is besides the point unless you happen to think that a collapse in production will not affect living standards.I happen to think that many people would die.For the sake of progress I disagree with the last point which is almost primitivism.That however comes down to values.All I can do is point out the consequenes of yours
[2012-02-27 19:42:50] musicalidea - @oracle2world Cause ...@oracle2world Cause your Capitalist utopia of 1B without clean water, 2B on less than $1/day, & 15.1% below the poverty line in the USA is really making milestones in the realm of sustainability, equity or prosperity. NOT. 2012: Australia has min. wage of $16.25, 5.1% unemployment, 76% workforce participation rate. Universal heath @ 1/2 cost of US HC. 2012: US has national min. wage of $7.25, 9% unemployment, 63.8% workforce participation. 20% uninsured. 2012: $1AUD = $1USD.
[2012-02-27 19:16:50] musicalidea - U throw out words ...U throw out words like "autarky" (which is different than "autarchy, btw) & "protectionism" as if they are automatic ills. They aren't! U don't address my point that your argument against local currency is exactly the same as advocating for 1 world currency: which would alleviate some of the woes I mentioned but create others. As already stated, local currencies should operate alongside nat'l currencies to maintain resistance against capital flight & secure livelihoods.
[2012-02-27 18:05:15] Malthus0 - Apart from a ...Apart from a difference in emphasis, I do not really disagree with this comment.
[2012-02-27 17:52:47] Malthus0 - ''a renewed focus ...''a renewed focus on regional & national autarky, self-sufficiency'' You would take us back to the dark ages with such a policy(This is not mere hyperbole, dark age Europe coincided with near universal autarchy). Human progress is synonymous with the growth of an integrated global society that is much more then the sum of its parts. This is exactly what I mean by an ''extended order''. We have more to fear from autarky then the most imperfect globalisation.
[2012-02-27 17:49:39] Malthus0 - By local currency I ...By local currency I am talking about the schemes to keep spending within a local area. Adoped on mass it is nothing but protectionism & autarchy. Even if you did not mean this, every local region having its own free floating currency would be terribly inefficient, to the extent of seriously retarding international trade, & shrinking the productive capacity of the world as surely as outright autarchy.
[2012-02-27 15:51:22] musicalidea - The advantage to ...The advantage to repealing national currencies in favor of a world currency would be the elimination of harmful currency trading speculation which, like equities & securities markets, favors insiders - intel agencies, giant banks, corrupt regulators - & can crash or depress entire economies by deflating labor, commodity & manufactures' exchange price. However, a world currency would also be subject to unfathomable abuse by those that issued it & controlled its distribution.
[2012-02-27 15:45:12] musicalidea - You are right to ...You are right to criticize the unjustifiable oligopolic tyranny of private central banking. However you are foolish to suggest that the publicly owned & managed central banks of communist - & many non-communist countries like Australia - are privately owned or for-profit. They are not. Non-profit public central banking - in a Capitalist or Socialist economy, centrally planned or spontaneous - is the only just means of issuing a central currency.
[2012-02-27 15:41:03] musicalidea - The common & ...The common & enlightened concern of peoples must not proceed on naive assumptions of ideal, universal templates but w/ the knowledge that a few among the race will always seek to exploit & dominate the many. Thus, a renewed focus on regional & national autarky, self-sufficiency (from primary production on up) & workers' ownership is required to defend the local interest of all against the global machinations of those who use internationalism not to unite but to extort us.
[2012-02-27 15:25:26] musicalidea - A local currency is ...A local currency is not pointless. Your criticism of it "hampering division of labour & knowledge" could just as easily be said of national currencies: & it would be partly true in that case as well, but not fully true. Just as national currencies can be used to boost trade & act as a retention of capital & commerce within a nation, so does local currency within a region. Transregional integration is good, but so is local autonomy & the ability to seek self-preservation.
[2012-02-27 10:57:37] Malthus0 - Apologies I thought ...Apologies I thought you were Robsshot who I was responding to & who was talking about the abolition of Money. However because you missed that more basic context your comment was irrelevant. Your position is more sophisticated & defensible then his but still open to criticism from the same point of view. For example a local currency is pointless as it hampers the division of labour & knowledge on which the extended social order is based & which money facilitates.
[2012-02-27 10:22:20] musicalidea - I never claimed ...I never claimed that I wished to abolish money. You read that into my comment. I think currency needs to be issued from non-profit commercial banks & consumer-owned banks (credit unions) which are members of a publicly owned national bank. I also promote the use of local currencies & do not support commodity-backed currency. In addition to use-for-anything-money, there should also be rations issued for staples. Competition should float on top of a basic cooperative economy.
[2012-02-27 02:54:57] oracle2world - - I know you are ...- I know you are well-meaning, and want to make the world a better place. My experience with Katrina/Rita relief work is that people are mostly where they want to be. And they hold dear some things which you or I might find not so great. Sort of cultural anthropomorphism in play. Serious western technology dates back about 200 years. Third world cultures go back thousands of years. Expecting them to welcome western culture is a huge stretch.
[2012-02-26 21:30:30] brekgar89 - how is this going ...how is this going to be paid for?
[2012-02-26 09:50:14] Malthus0 - Just because it can ...Just because it can be manipulated does not mean that it is just ''a bureaucratic political instrument'' Money is a far more basic thing then you think. Ending money as debt as you want would not end money qua money.Abolishing all money is throwing the baby out with the bath water. See chapter 8 of Menger's Principles of Economics. By the way, the epistemological ecosystem that is society is nether 'natural' as you say nor 'artificial' but of a third in between category
[2012-02-26 08:34:42] Vilibrato - What a completely ...What a completely inappropriate comment.
[2012-02-26 07:12:32] aaronmakaruk - If we are making ...If we are making our own industrial machinery, and teaching people all over the world to build their own means of production for themselves, we are something very different than 'Communist'.
[2012-02-26 06:22:12] smokingfast - Reverse engineering ...Reverse engineering is a lot different from following a step by step blueprint. It takes an engineer to design a bridge but not to build one. All we're asking is to share the blueprint. Technology has advanced to the point that scarcity is an illusion. We have the capability to feed, clothe and provide free energy to every person on the planet. The only thing holding us back is fear, greed and unwillingness to cooperate.
[2012-02-26 00:40:48] oracle2world - This techology has ...This techology has already been "open source" for decades. Just buy one and reverse-engineer. If you can't do that, you can't build one in the first place from an untested design. Any educated person that can leave a third world country, has already left. So I don't know where you are going to find the engineering talent to make all this stuff work.
[2012-02-26 00:35:24] oracle2world - - okay, call it ...- okay, call it socialistic utopia. Which has been shown to be non-sustainable from the get go.
[2012-02-26 00:34:13] oracle2world - - I am happy being ...- I am happy being up the food chain a bit, and won't give it up. Exactly like the folks in this "open source" nonsense. Who are giving presentations, soliciting money, and leaving the heavy lifting and unpleasant work to the peasants in the field.
[2012-02-25 22:54:14] musicalidea - This shit has been ...This shit has been around for 175 years. "The 50 key industrial machines that reinvent local production"; "open source industries"; "living beyond the constraints of artificial material scarcity"; "liberating the masses from long hours, poor wealth distribution & poverty". All these are wonderful, totally feasible ideas. However - the Capitalist oligarchs won't permit this. They will use either their control of credit, the courts or the laws to obstruct it. They always have.
[2012-02-25 22:48:57] musicalidea - It could just as ...It could just as easily be said that "Finance capitalism has failed in every country that has used it." Think the US during Great Depression in which 7 or so million people starved to death. Think all of the 8 or so major "panics" of the 19th C. Think the recession of the early 50s, the oil crisis, Stagflation, the recession of 82, the Dotcom bust, the 2nd Great Depression of current. Think E. Europe after the USSR: GDP shrunk 40 =%. Just *think* in general!
[2012-02-25 22:10:40] CombineWizard - Agree 100 percent ...Agree 100 percent there, Von Bobbeh! Gereed and religion--GAG! However, one needs to understand a belief system that is NOT "religion," but a true, living relationship. That comes from following the leader who preached not only against greed, but also religion! The man was Jesus the Christ, the son of God, the "I am."
[2012-02-25 22:06:16] CombineWizard - Actually, I did. I ...Actually, I did. I know it is not the entire practice of those heavily-armed, mega-military countries, either.
[2012-02-25 15:17:03] VonBobbeh - Have you ever taken ...Have you ever taken the time to read the communist manifesto or any other communist ideology? Russia Cuba North Korea were military powerhouses ran by tyranny and dealt with huge wars. Like I said, any truly communist society does not contain military because communist society only has what benefits all, and war surely does not do that at. just because something was labeled communist doesn't mean it is, do you think pot destroys brain cells? what else will you believe?